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  Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

  by John Aquila in

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  the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

  the watchtower says yes.

  they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

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  "And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not God of the dead, but of the living."

  Good one Ding, I forgot about that one.
  
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  Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

  the watchtower says yes.

  they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

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  CalebInFloroda

  In this the Catholic concept is almost identical with Olam Ha Ba, including even life upon a restored paradise earth.

  I didn't know that and I was Catholic before I was a JW
  

  Village Idiot Not quite. Ancient Hebrews believed in a eternal spirit (ruach) that upon death would descend down into Sheol which was considered to be the underworld were the spirits of all persons, good and evil, went. They were to be in a spiritual coma so to speak, sleeping - not conscious but living.

  
  

  I wonder if this is what was referred to in Peter;

  (1 Peter 3:19) . . .In this [state] also he went his way and preached to the spirits in prison. . .
  
  

  
  
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  Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

  by John Aquila in

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  i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

  or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

  or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

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  I think the possibility is very real and the odds will only increase as the GB pursue their totalitarian heartless course of disfellowshipping dissenters. Eventually they are going to piss off the wrong person who is very unstable with anger issues over whatever.

  I think so to Brokeback Watchtower
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  Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

  or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

  or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

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  John Aquila

  Wow rebel8, I wonder how many of these incidents have happened but we are just not aware of it.
  
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  Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

  or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

  or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

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  DATA-DOG 2 hours ago

  My theory:

  In order to discover TTATT, an individual must have objectivity and intellectual honesty. Every good thing associated with those two qualities must be present.

  I agree, and that actually speaks well for all of us here.
  
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  Why hasn’t someone gotten real pissed off yet?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i keep reading of some guy who is so upset at someone that he goes into a theater and shoots 20 people..

  or a kid that is so mad that the other kids made fun of him that he goes to school and shoots a bunch of kids..

  or some guy that was fired from his job and he goes back and shoots of bunch of his workers.

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  3rdgen 2 hours ago

  i think the GB IS concerned about the possibility. This fear is why tunnels were built for escape routes underneath the original headquarters and why the New headquarters is an isolated compound with plenty of security and an airport.

  I didn't know that. So they are concerned, good!
  
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  Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

  the watchtower says yes.

  they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

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  kepler 4 minutes ago

  The Deutero-Canonical book of Wisdom addresses immortality in 2:23

  Thanks kepler, I didn't know that because I'm not familiar with the book of Wisdom, but I know it was part of the Septuagint. So there was some familiarity with immortality with some Jews. So I'm guessing like Saintbertholdt mentioned, it was an idea that slowly evolved into Christianity. Interesting!
  
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  Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

  the watchtower says yes.

  they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Saintbertholdt

  The Gospels I view as the evolution of a philosophy which emerges out of the Jewish culture. Not the work of just the four gospel writers, but the work of a rebellious component of the Jewish community creating a new liberal tradition

  Thanks Saintbertholdt

  That sounds more reasonable. I can see that happening. I’m going to do more research in that direction.
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  Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

  the watchtower says yes.

  they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

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  3. 
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  John Aquila

  Aroq

  Thanks for your input

  From what I’ve been told, by some Jewish friends, the book of Job is believed to be a poem with poetic words, a play but not a literal real story. So the reference to, My skin is destroyed, yet from my flesh I shall see god”---- is poetic in nature and not to be taken as a prophetic future event.

  Psalms were songs of deep emotional feelings but not predictions of literal future events.

  Daniel 12:2 was added later to the book of Daniel and is debatable that it was part of the original writings.

  The context shows that Isaiah chapters 13 to 35 contain a series of pronouncements against many nations and a forecast of salvation to “The Land of Judah” (not individuals)

  (Isaiah 26:1-19) In that day this song will be sung in the land of Judah: Your dead shall live; their bodies shall rise. You who dwell in the dust,

  The idea of a resurrection was an absurd idea for the Hebrews. In fact the idea of a resurrection got the Apostle Paul in trouble.

  (Acts 23:6) . . .Over the hope of resurrection of the dead I am being judged. . .

  So this heavenly resurrection idea was not a normal idea for ancient Hebrews.

  So did Jesus make it up himself?
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  Where did Jesus get the Idea of an After-life in Heaven?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the ancient jews did not believe in an after-life as far as i can tell, correct me if i'm wrong.

  the watchtower says yes.

  they say all the prophets believed in a paradise earth..

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  Clambake

  Ecclesiastes is a book of wisdom written by King Solomon which starts off describing the condition of men without god. Money is everything, When we are dead , we are just dead…………………………..oh wait………….Life sucks without god. That is the entire book in a nutshell.

  Thanks for the input.
  

  I agree. But with God in the picture, the only reward the book of Ecclesiastes gives is this;

  (Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14) . . .The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the [true] God and keep his commandments. For this is the whole [obligation] of man. 14 For the [true] God himself will bring every sort of work into the judgment in relation to every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad.

  From what I’ve read, the Jews believed that reward or judgment would be met out in this life, not an “Afterlife”

  If the ancient Hebrews believed in an afterlife, the writer of Ecclesiastes would have said something like this;

  For the [true] God himself will “Give Everlasting Life” to those that do Good.

  The Hebrews never entertained or talked about “Everlasting life” That’s why the Apostles refused to abandon Jesus because He was the only one who offered a reward of everlasting life. No other Jew or Prophet even entertained the idea.

  (John 6:68) . . .Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life. . .